18 thoughts on “Independent Assignment 6/7/21

  1. Questions about the opening to A Room with A View
    1. What makes this opening passage different from the other ones we considered? It opens with dialogue coordinated by an omniscient narrator. This was the only one written in the 20th century. According to the introduction excerpt, I can tell that it is modern writing. The main characters are independent women on vacation. What feels modern about this passage? The dialogue, and narration. Complaining about the service and the room accommodations. The need for “a room with a view”.
    2. Do you want to read more? How does Forster pull us into the situation? What distinguishes his technique for catching our interest from the techniques used in some of the earlier passages? I am interested in the outcome of their dilemma and feel like more problems will arise. Forster pulls the reader into the middle of a meltdown by Miss Bartlett. Claiming that the Signora booked her in the wrong room.
    3. What is wrong with the situation Lucy and Miss Bartlett find themselves in? There is only one room with a view of the Arno. Lucy’s mother paid for the trip, so Lucy should get the room. It seems that Miss Bartlett is making such a fuss that Lucy feels guilty that she should have the room, or another “room with a view”, too. They both have the desire for the perfect vacation. Since Lucy’s mother paid for everything. Miss Bartlett is indebted to Lucy.

  2. 1)The writing in the opening from A Room with A View differs from the others we read because of the setting. They are talking about the problem of how they were promised one thing but given another, the room they are in with the rows of English people and the white bottles of water and red bottles of wine. It still feels old compared to today but when compared to the previous two it paints a more modern picture in my mind, also because of the nature of their problem. It feels like a problem that people would still have today.
    2) I am a little intrigued to continue reading on and finding out the solution to their problem and seeing how it gets resolved. Right from the beginning it starts out with a problem, which catches the readers attention and draws them in to want to see how it goes.
    3)The main reason they are upset it that they were promised south rooms with a view close together but instead they were given northern rooms with a view of the courtyard. Lucy is also unhappy at the Signoras Cockney accent. There desires are the same but for different reasons. Lucys wants it because that is what she is accustomed to and what she expects. Miss Bartlett wants Lucy to be happy and appeased because Lucys mother paid for part of her expenses so she feels beholden to her in a way.

  3. 1. What makes this opening passage different from the other ones we considered? This was the only one written in the 20th century. Can you tell? How? What feels modern about this passage?

    This passage is different in that the narrator immediately goes into describing the setting as opposed to the characters. Apparently the characters are in a hotel that seems to resemble London and has artwork of the late queen. I can kind of tell that this was written in the 20th century because of the hotel, and what I’ve learned in previous classes dealing with modernism, hotels were a common setting because it added to the feeling of anonymity that comes with increased population and growing technology. Even the rows of people makes the setting seem more condensely packed with people.

    2. Do you want to read more? How does Forster pull us into the situation? What distinguishes his technique for catching our interest from the techniques used in some of the earlier passages?

    So far I am not particularly inclined to read more as the character of Lucy does not seem very likeable. While having a main character who is spoiled doesn’t necessarily make the character unbearable (I love Vivien Leigh’s Scarlett O’Hara in Gone With the Wind), Lucy, who I assume is the main character, isn’t very charming to me just yet. However I believe that Forster is using this character flaw to draw our interest into the book. The previous openings we read described the characters observantly and almost passively, Forster on the other hand lets us meet the characters up close where we can make our own assumptions.

    3. What’s wrong with the situation Lucy and Miss Bartlett find themselves in? Why are they dissatisfied? Do they have the same desires? Or are their desires different? Does the passage offer any clues?

    The ladies are unsatisfied with the room that they are placed in. They expected rooms close by overlooking the Arno, but they have been placed farther apart with a view of the courtyard. While both of them are not happy with the arrangement, Bartlett seems to be more accommodating to Lucy since her mother is paying for the trip. They both desire luxury, but Barlett is willing to let Lucy have the room if the opportunity arises. This leads me to believe that there is a power dynamic between them that has to do with money in some way. I am not sure if this means that their desires are different, but they are looking out for each other in some way.

  4. 1) Unlike the other passage, the first chapter of “A Room with A View” begins the story with a dialogue. It begins with a conflict that has risen while the other passage incorporates a description of a woman first. It feels modern because the women seem to be traveling alone during this trip and they seem confident enough to complain about their issue with the wrong room. The female characters being more vocal gave me a sense of more freedom which indicates that it is a bit more modern.

    2) Since the author started out the story with a dialogue and situation, I am bit intrigued to continue reading this novel. There is just something about beginning a story with a problem or conflict that catches the attention of the readers.

    3) Lucy and Miss Bartlett were upset because they were promised to get a room with a beautiful view but instead they were given one with a courtyard view. Also, Lucy was not happy with the accent of the Signora. I think they have similar desires since Lucy’s mother paid for this trip, Lucy should be getting the room with a view and Miss Bartlett agrees and she is okay with any “nook.”

  5. Response to Questions about the opening to A Room with A View – 6/7/2021
    1. This passage is different from the others we considered because the style of writing is more narrative. The reader can see how this passage was written in the 20th century. It seems as though two young women (probably in their early 20’s) are traveling together abroad without husbands.
    2. The author, Forster, pulls the reader’s attention by dropping the reader into a conflict between the travelers (Miss Bartlett and Lucy) and the owner of their temporary residence in London (the Signora). The author intrigues the reader by narrating Miss Bartlett’s feelings of frustration regarding the false accommodation promises made by the Signora. The author goes on to explain why Miss Bartlett would give up her room with a view, even though she was the most vocal with her displeasure.
    3. As discussed, Lucy and Miss Bartlett are displeased with the accommodations they were assigned upon arrival in London. They were previously promised two rooms, close together, with a view of the “Arno”. The reader may think Miss Bartlett and Lucy have the same desire
    “a room with a view,” however, it’s clear that they mainly desire to please each other. Hence, why Miss Bartlett is willing to give up her room and why Lucy, at first, rejects the offer.

  6. 1). In the first passages we read, the narrator and/or characters didn’t give us a sense of the setting they were in, but more of the personalized ideas of wealth and good fortune as well as the emotional point of view surrounding the topic. The difference with ‘The Bertolini’ is that the passage is giving the reader a ‘view’ of London, even though the characters are not pleased with their accommodations. They wanted to have a room with the view looking out over the Arno, but instead they received the room facing north, showing the courtyard. Even though the setting might be obvious, I actually somewhat believe that they are in an English-speaking hotel near the Arno river in Italy. They keep mentioning “The Signora” which is the Italian title for Mrs. or Madam. I can tell the passage is from the 20th century because one of the characters sees a “portrait of the late Queen” which describes the past Queen, giving us some sense of timeline. The way this passage feels modern compared to the other ones we’ve read is that this one has a different, much more modern way of expressing the subject, with modern language/grammar.

    2). I’m a bit interested to read more because of the situation they’re facing regarding the wrong room, but issue isn’t large so I want to see what they’ll do, or what they’ll receive. Forster pulls us towards the characters by starting with the issue or mindset of the individual, then moving in a different direction, giving the reader a little cliffhanger for what’s to come.

    3). The two characters are upset because of the accommodations they received even when they booked a room with a good view. They were placed in a room with a view of the courtyard facing north instead of a room with the view of the Arno, facing south. This makes their mood seems more unsatisfied as we keep reading but Ms. Barlett seems to take it less to heart than Lucy. For that reason, I think that Ms. Barlett is more genuine whereas Lucy is one of those ‘silver spoon’ types of people.

  7. 1. This passage differs from the previous introductions because it establishes the characters and their initial impressions through a conversation; The reader is introduced to a problem right as it is occurring. While the previous introductions gave similar information, such as class, customs, and time, they did so by giving social context rather than direct discussion between characters. Furthermore, the mere impression that two female characters are traveling alone signals that this passage is more modern. The language used is also less complicated than in the previous passages, which resembles the English we speak today.

    2. Forster pulls us into the story by starting with dialogue: At first, we do not know how they were wronged by the Signora, but we know it is a major inconvenience for the two characters. Unlike the previous passages, Forster immerses us in the midst of Lucy’s and Miss Barlett’s disappointment and encourages the reader to capture their perspectives. In the other two introductions, readers are given the context of the story through descriptions of setting or social environment rather than conversations. I certainly want to read more, especially since I want to better understand the relationship between Lucy and Miss Barlett.

    3. Lucy and Miss Barlett find themselves in rooms that do not have a view of the Arno, which was promised to them. Although they are both dissatisfied, it seems that Lucy is particularly underwhelmed by the view of the courtyard. While Lucy desires to see the river and live in a space that resembles her expectations, Miss Barlett wants to make sure Lucy enjoys their trip. At the end of the page, the narrator mentions that Miss Barlett’s trip is partially funded by Lucy’s mother, which insinuates that Miss Barlett also has a responsibility to protect Lucy’s happiness rather than her own. This selflessness is noticeable when she casually mentions that “any nook does it for [her].” Miss Barlett cares less about the location of their room than she does about Lucy’s desires.

  8. 1. This opening passage feels different from the others, because the female characters present seem to possess some degree of agency that wouldn’t be present in older works of literature. Even the fact that Miss Bartlett’s expenses were partially paid by Lucy’s mother alludes to the idea that women may possess more financial independence.
    2. Forster presents a problem right off the bat, which makes us, the readers, instantly engaged as we become invested in finding a solution. Not only does the presence of a problem create intrigue, Forster’s use of dialogue within this passage helps introduce the characters of both Miss Bartlett and Lucy, which creates an instant relationship between us and the characters.
    3. Lucy and Miss Bartlett were under the impression that they would be receiving south rooms with a view of the Arno, but they received north rooms that overlook a courtyard instead. Miss Bartlett seems to be less upset by this mixup in comparison to Lucy and since Lucy’s mother helped pay for Miss Bartlett’s expenses, she is more willing to give up her room to Lucy.

  9. 1. The passage A Room With A View is started with dialogues between two people, and the other ones are started with descriptions of narrators. I can tell this passage was written in the 20th century cause it was rare to see two ladies traveling alone before the 20th century. Moreover, the passage mentioned that portraits of the late Queen and the late Poet hung up on the wall, which hinted to tell the reader about time. From the conversations of the two ladies that I read so far, they seemed very opinioned. They have their preferences on room choice and disagreed with the changes that Signora had made to them. The reactions about the room matched some of the characters of modern women, which are fighting for unfair situations.
    2. Yes, I want to know why Signora changed the room selection for the two ladies. Forster uses the females’ dissatisfactions with the hotel to expand the details of his story. Such as the location of rooms, the people who were eating in this hotel, the cafeteria decorations, the food that the ladies were tasting, etc. Unlike the other ones which were started as a general description or idea, Forster started his story with an aggressive tone through a conversation to trig reader’s interest to wonder what is happening.
    3. Lucy and Miss Barlett found out that they were not arranged to the rooms where they support to stay. They wanted the south rooms with a close together view not north rooms with courtyard view. Compared to Miss Barlett, Barlett seems less to care about the views and Arno because she is happy to have a trip like this and all expenses are paid by Lucy’s mom.

  10. 1. The narrator style in this book is the first-person point of view, which lets the characters interact with each other and us reading simmultaneously. Whereas in the prior readings, the narrator used the third person point of view, which makes o put the characters in the back seat. The writing in this book felt more early 19th century from the feel of the word usage.
    2. I do want to read more, the author brilliantly pulls us into what feels like a disagreement, which makes us want to know how it started and where it is going. We do not know where it is going, but we are interested, whereas the prior reading gave too much too soon.
    3. Most people do feel disappointed when misleading on a bad promise. They were promised luxurious rooms with the view of The Arno, which if I am not mistaken is a beautiful river in Italy, and now they are stuck with the view of the courtyard, which I presume is not as chick as the promised view. They both have the same desire, However, Lucy felt it was appropriate to give the better room to Mrs. Bartlett who paid for her trip there. She must be doing it as a sign of appreciation and respect. Furthermore, I think she made the right decision by giving the room away to her sponsor.

  11. 1. This passage feels different in the setting of the events, as it seems that the women are traveling in a very casual manner, which was rare in past centuries. In addition, the passage starts with a narrated dialogue between the characters, as opposed to the other passages, which narrated introductory descriptions.

    2. I do want to read more. Forster pulls us into the situation by introducing a situation already underway, we don’t know who the characters are or why they are where they are. In comparison, the other passages start by introducing an idea or describing one of the characters.

    3. Lucy and Miss Bartlett seem to be sort of unsatisfied with their lodging arrangements, specifically the rooms they were assigned, since they expected to have a view. Miss Bartlett is not quite as bothered as Lucy, but she wants Lucy to be comfortable. The passage explains this by mentioning how Miss Bartlett would be happy with any nook, but that Lucy wanted a view of the Arno, and since Lucy’s mother paid for the trip, it would make sense for her to have the most desirable room.

    Melissa Ortiz

  12. 1. This passage begins with a dialogue between two ladies. From what they are saying an image slowly takes form in the reader’s mind. I can tell just from the way this passage is written in the beginning. The way the two characters spoke with the description of the setting gives a moderate feel.
    2. No I do not want to read more. Forster pulls the reader into the situation by starting with the dialogue and the conversations with the character. I think what distinguishes his technique is the way he uses an aggressive tone to begin the passage and slowly makes the reader want to know what’s happening and what’s going on.
    3. Lucy and Miss Bartlett both expected to get the south room with a view of Arno, but in the end, there were some problems. They are dissatisfied because they had high expectations for the south room and the view that comes along with it. They both desired the south room, however, Miss Bartlett seemed less upset for not getting the South room as its because after all, Lucy’s mom pay for the expenses.

  13. 1. The difference between this passage and others we considered are that the main focus in the passage is the setting. Whereas in other texts the characters are introduced before the setting. The passage opens up by the description of the setting resembling London. The characters mention some sort of problem on how they weren’t given what they were promised. While reading the passage I do sense that it is more of a modern piece as women can travel alone and hang out with their friends, which wasn’t so typical back then. The major point that gives it away is that back then women had to follow the gender typical roles of being “house wives” while here they are traveling. Both women are complaining about not being given what they were promised which demonstrates that they have the freedom to demand and feel heard something women couldn’t do back then.
    2. I do want to read more because as of now I only know that both women are traveling and complaining about wanting another room, the description of the rooms also grab my attention. I believe Forster draws us in by creating some short of conflict from the very beginning of the passage which will make readers want to know how the problem was solved.
    3. Lucy and Miss Bartlett are in an unhappy situation. They are both mad at the fact that they were promised something and weren’t given what they were promised. They want a room with a better view. I feel like they have different desires because Lucy seems more powerful than Miss Bartlett since Lucy’s mom paid for her vacation.

  14. 1. What makes this opening passage different from the other ones we considered? This was the only one written in the 20th century. Can you tell? How? What feels modern about this passage?
    • It was not obvious to me that this was written in the 20th century, but I figured it was written in somewhat modern times.
    • It seems the two women are in a luxury hotel and such hotels only started to become popular after the stat of the 19th century.
    2. Do you want to read more? How does Forster pull us into the situation? What distinguishes his technique for catching our interest from the techniques used in some of the earlier passages?
    • I personally am neutral as far as reading more. Although, the problem the two women are facing is relatable so it would be interesting to see how they deal with it versus how I have in the past.
    3. What’s wrong with the situation Lucy and Miss Bartlett find themselves in? Why are they dissatisfied? Do they have the same desires? Or are their desires different? Does the passage offer any clues?
    • The two find the way the hotel has treated them so far unacceptable. One of the more obvious clues to me was the first sentence, “The Signora had no business to do it.”

  15. 1. The first passage of “A Room With A View” begins with a dialogue providing a descriptive visual setting of a room overlooking London. Within the dialogue, two women express their strong dissatisfaction with their accommodation. Unlike the previous readings discussed in class, the book’s content indicates the personality traits of the characters and provides the reader with a clear sense of setting. The level of criticism the women convey, and their tendency of judgement of the accommodation they received indicates that the women are in a time period with a greater ability of independence and have the comfort of expressing themselves and making their voice heard. Due to the freedom implied in the text, I would describe this book as a “modern” novel since it contradicts the traditional portrayal of women and their rights.

    2. I want to continue reading and understand the characters more. I want to see if throughout the book, my impression of the characters will alter or if I will begin resonating with them. Compared to previous texts, this passage provides captivating descriptions and the mystery behind their exact location through an abrupt beginning of the book, leaving some background details of the situation and story unrevealed.

    3. Like many, expectations cause distress and disappointment; Lucy and Miss Barlett both experienced disappointment once they realized Signora’s promise of providing a room overlooking Arno was not fulfilled. Although both characters demonstrated dissatisfaction, it appears that the two characters have different desires and preferences. Miss Barlett states, “Any nook does for me”, which exhibits her lack of strong preference and feeling toward the accommodation she receives. Meanwhile, Lucy expresses her dissatisfaction in numerous occurrences throughout the passage. Because Lucy’s mother paid for the accommodation, Miss Barlett feels obliged to cater to Lucy’s desires which indicates the relationship between the two characters.

  16. 1. This opening passage begins with dialogue, which gives me the sense that we as the reader are joining this novel in the midst of something. The style of writing is more modern in the sense that the other works from the early-to-late 1800s have descriptions where a single sentence consists of dozens of words. I also notice that these two female characters seem to be a bit more outspoken (and even a little rude in terms of Lucy’s hinted disgust at the Signora have a cockney accent) than the shy wallflowers that usually depict 1800s female characters. These women also seem to be traveling without a male chaperone which also leads me to believe this is more modern.
    2. I wouldn’t mind reading more. We discussed in class how the other opening passages had a powerful, third-person omniscient narrator, and I can see similarities with the narrator of this novel. I see the play at sarcasm in the very last line. I think Forster pulls us into the situation by their use of dialogue being the very first line, and having that dialogue be something so negative and ambiguous at the same time. The dialogue also sets the scene and setting for the work, whereas the narrator did this for the earlier passages that we’ve read.
    3. Lucy and Miss Bartlett were promised by the Signora of the pension that their rooms would have a view overlooking the Arno, and instead their rooms have views that are far apart looking into a courtyard. I think that Miss Bartlett is more upset about the Signora not living up to the expectations she had set, and Lucy is actually bothered by not having a view. I feel that since this is one of Lucy’s first times out of London, she’s disappointed with the view her room has as it’s something that she could have at home too. We also see in Miss Bartlett’s statement that she is fine with the rooms in actuality, but she perhaps feels saddened that Lucy is not getting what Lucy wants. I can also see this in how Miss Bartlett moves on to talk about the food, while Lucy is still talking about the view.

  17. 1. The beginning of the opening passage of “A Room With A View” differs from the get go compared to the two texts we analyzed in class. To start, it opens with a dialogue, which both other passages lacked. Additionally, the vernacular in the passage immediately seemed more familiar to me than that of the other passages. The way the sentences of the first passage that we looked in class is structured and worded, for example, makes it seem as though it was written in a foreign language despite it being written in English. A lot of cultural cues were also a big giveaway. The first passage from class was talked about societal expectations of a financially successful, single man. The expectations set of the man are not those seen of men today. Additionally, the second passage talks about Miss Brooke’s outfit, which again is reminiscent of older times. The opening passage of “A Room With A View” feels more modern to me because of more parallels I can draw to life today. Women aren’t afraid to voice their frustrations (perhaps I’m just stereotyping but I feel as though they were told to repress their opinions prior to the modern era).

    2. I think I’d like to read more. Forster immediately pulls us into the situation by introducing conflict. Not knowing what’s to happen and wanting to reach that feeling of resolution draws readers in more and more. In terms of what makes it catchier than the other two passages, Forster’s piece shares the thoughts and feelings of a few young women, rather than a larger, societal opinion. We’re viewing things more on a micro scale than a macro, and being able to fully dissect and understand what one or two people are going through may make it easier to relate to and empathize with the characters.

    3. I think the situation is quite simple. The two girls weren’t given a room that they were expecting and were understandably upset. They were set far apart from one another, didn’t have the room they wanted, nor a view they wanted. However, the passage clearly mentions them having an issue with the Signora’s accent, so their issues could be accentuated by the fact that they may be racially prejudiced against the Signora. Charlotte and Lucy don’t exactly have the same desires, as Charlotte said that she would be fine anywhere and that a view wasn’t a dealbreaker, but it could be due to a difference in class. The last bit that we read reveals that Lucy’s mother paid for the trip, so it might be that Charlotte isn’t used to living a life of luxury and is therefore more content with the little things as opposed to Lucy, who might be more spoiled.

  18. 1. This passage differs from the others we looked at since it is written in a more narrative form. This text was written in the twentieth century. Two young women appear to be going abroad together at a hotel and are displeased with their rooms.
    2. I’d like to read more because both women are traveling and grumbling about not being able to find another accommodation; the descriptions of the rooms also pique my interest. I believe Forster draws us in by introducing a small amount of conflict right at the start of the piece, which makes readers curious about how the situation was solved.
    3. Lucy and Miss Bartlett were dissatisfied because they had been promised a room with a lovely view but were instead given one with a courtyard view. They were promised elegant accommodations with views of The Arno, which is a gorgeous river in Italy if I am not mistaken, and now they are stuck with a view of the courtyard, which I assume is not as fashionable as the promised vista. They both want the same thing, but Lucy thought it was only fair to give Mrs. Bartlett, who had paid for her trip, the better accommodation.

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