Anytime that a person is dealing with persuasion they are dealing with some sort of argument, they may not appear to be arguing but persuasion in my opinion is an “argumentative” form of language. I think when dealing with manipulation there is an element of deceitfulness in that one individual is attempting to misrepresent their intent at that moment. I think that when an ad starts to describe elements of their advertisement that aren’t true this is a lie, a fallacy is more of a joke to me (except when its cigarette ads). A fallacy is more of something that is demonstrated but holds no substantive fact to it, a lie I think is more geared to misrepresent a claimed fact. An example in pop culture, is this show a fallacy or a lie? I think technically it is a lie but they were trying to represent the life of a 16 year old girl and they did not cross the situational boundaries in that regard, so I think its just a real life example of realistic fiction. I think that in pop culture there are many instances when people are being persuaded through manipulation. It may be that manipulation is a vide of persuasion since again, its a misrepresentation of intent. I do not think that the point of the Lonely Girl series was to deceive peoples sense of awareness to the truth, I think it was a genuine attempt to entertain people and connect with them on some sort of real level.